Posted by ralph grabowski at 01:46 The Problems on Vista 64bit AutoCAD® Architectural 2008 will not install on Vista 64 but the reason has less to do with actual performance than a reluctance, by Autodesk, to support this OS. In other words, the installation wizard has simply been switched to deny installation when it detects an unsupported OS. In the past, there was usually just an alert dialog cautioning against installing under an unsupported OS and I preferred this because I never found any problems going against the caution; for example, I ran ADT 2007 just fine on Windows XP SP1. It didn't take very long before some smart guy used Microsoft's Orca software to change the ACA.msi file so it wouldn't deny the installation of ACA 2008 under Vista 64 but it's always a bit of a pain to learn how to do stuff like that when that's not your cup of tea. Below I will discuss a simpler way to install and run ACA 2008 on Vista 64.
Below is the e-mail you will receive from Autodesk: Thank you for contacting Autodesk Support. We have experienced a number of customer reports regarding the install of AutoCAD Architecture 2008 on a 64-bit Operating System. Development decided to not allow installation on a 64-bit Operating System because the QA team was not able to fully test and certify the application to run in a 64 bit environment. We do realize that users were able to install previous versions of AutoCAD Architecture on 64 bit systems. We are aware of the growing number of users who are upgrading their machines to these systems, and because of this demand our development team has provided us with a workaround for the issue. Attached you will find the files necessary to install your product in a 64 bit environment.
The below installation instructions are also provided in the ReadMe file: 1. Install the latest.NET Framework (64 bit) from Microsoft on the destination workstations. Copy the contents of the installation DVD to a local drive or network location. In the main install folder, rename the original ACA.msi and setup.ini files to preserve them. Copy the provided replacement ACA.msi and Setup.ini files into the main install folder.
Run the installation/deployment procedure as normal. It is very important to reiterate that this is a workaround as development has not fully tested AutoCAD Architecture 2008 in 64 bit environments. If you choose to implement the workaround, you must be aware that this will allow the product to be installed on a 64 bit system, but if you experience crashes, drawing corruption, or other abnormal behavior we may not be able to provide aid in the troubleshooting process. Our development team is working on a true 64 bit application but cannot provide any further details at this time. Well, does it work? AutoCAD ® Architectural 2008, with the modified installation files, not only installs without any problems but also runs about as expected. However, if I compare the speed increase I usually experience on new machines with how ACA 2008 feels on, it's a terrible disappointment.
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Photoshop, on the other hand, screams. The nVidia ® GeForce 8800 with 640Mb DDR3 XXX/Superclock PCIe card is not currently supported by Autodesk and I figure this has a lot to do with the performance disappointment I am experiencing. The only real slowness occurs in Shaded Modes (or Visual Styles) while Orbiting. I expect to be doing more research on tweaks that I can do to this video card to increase performance in ACA and will report on my progress next quarter. I haven't had enough time with Vista 64 to really say much about it but so far I do have one request for Microsoft: I would like a single setting that turns off all the crap.
When I order an OS that has the word 'Business' (Vista 64 Business) associated with I would really like to see an option to run it in a Business mode where stupid things like digital-analog redundant clocks, moving pictures, fades and transparencies don't consume the resources I desperately need for Business Applications. In time, I figure I will be able to turn most of this stuff off but why do I have to spend my time looking for all of those settings. It already took me an hour to figure out that I had a bunch of Hidden Folders where all of my Autodesk Content was stored (hidden). Vista 64 comes with two Program Folders: 'Program Folders' and 'Program Folders (x86)'. The reason I mention this is that ACA will install under 'Program Folders (x86)' and that might be a problem for users who try to migrate files and folders from one stand-along workstation to another (the 'x86' is a new path). The reason for the two folders is that Vista 64 can run 32 bit software.
And: It turns out that one of the requirements for software to earn either the Works with Windows Vista Logo or the stricter Certified for Windows Vista Logo is that the software support x64 versions as well as 32-bit versions of Windows Vista. You would think from Microsoft's documentation that avoiding 16-bit components would be enough for most applications to run in the WOW64 emulator, but that doesn't seem to be the case in real life. I'm responsible for getting an application certified as Vista compatible, and our lead tester has found that just running this 32-bit application on 64-bit Vista causes weird things to happen on the desktop. Double-clicking on desktop icons opens their page properties instead of launching their applications. Some keyboard functions get reassigned. It all goes back to normal after a reboot, fortunately.
Unless someone can set me on the right path, I'm going to have to debug the application on a 64-bit Vista system to diagnose the problem. I wouldn't be at all surprised if I had to rebuild the application as 64-bit to fix all the problems. Unfortunately, I don't have even one 64-bit CPU in my office or at home: I have six desktop systems, but the newest is a three-year-old system with a 3.2 GHz Pentium 4 with HT, and the oldest is a ten-year-old system with a 450 MHz Pentium III. My oldest daughter has a Turion 64 X2-based laptop, but she lives 40 minutes away, and uses the machine heavily. There have already been some users that have asked the question 'Can Civil 3D 2007 run on Windows Vista?' Some have even gone so far as to attempted it.
The answer is, No, NONE of Autodesk's 2007 family of products run on Windows Vista. As it becomes necessary to replace new computers the issue of operating systems must be addressed. But, everyone should be well aware that Windows Vista is currently (January 29, 2007) not an option for Autodesk's production applications. Labels:, posted by Angel Espinoza at Then there are the vendors who say Vista is irrelevant to them and their customers. Officials with Microsoft CRM rival Salesforce.com said they have no plans to tweak their software-as-a-service offerings to take advantage of Vista or its Internet Explorer 7 interface. 'Vista is completely the wrong approach, from our perspective,' said Kendall Collins, senior vice president of marketing with Salesforce.com.
'We are not doing anything about Vista. We are ideologically opposed to it.
And we haven't heard much from our customers about IE 7. We are not finding many people using it. We will support whatever our customers demand.' Lists the following messages from Vista that block your workday, an operating system that took ten thousand people five years to ship:.
You must be logged in as administrator to change this setting. Upgrade has been disabled.
Windows is trying to determine why Internet Explorer is not responding. To help protect your computer, Windows Firewall has blocked some features of this program. Genuine validation required for Windows Vista.
A properly licensed copy of Windows Vista that has passed Microsoft Genuine validation is required to enable certain features and obtain non-security updates and product support. This installation is forbidden by system policy. Contact your system administrator. He asks, This is the progress we've made 30 years after the PC revolution began?
It is time for another worker rebellion. Today's rebel is wearing a Google T-shirt, carrying an Apple laptop and promoting their company from a Linux infrastructure they don't even own. And for the new rebel generation that has grown up with computers, they see the Windows Vista PC, not as a tool that will help them build their dreams, but a barrier whose end user license agreements, restrictions on content, and closed development processes stand in their way.
Thank goodness we no longer need to fear Microsoft. February 01, 2007 in AutoCAD/AutoCAD LT and Microsoft Windows Vista Compatibility. Welcome to, the year Microsoft becomes our Big Brother, telling us what we can and cannot read and watch. Peter Gutmann of the University of New Zealand has documented ten reasons why Vista kills technological advance. His 7,000-word paper, is sourced from Microsoft and ATI documents, including the 'Vista Content Protection Specification.' The ten reasons Vista will kill your business include: 1.
Disabling of Functionality 2. Decreased Playback Quality 3. Elimination of Open-source Hardware Support 4. Elimination of Unified Drivers 5. Denial-of-Service via Driver Revocation 6. Decreased System Reliability 7.
Increased Hardware Costs 8. Increased Cost due to Requirement to License Unnecessary Third-party IP 9. Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption 10. Unnecessary Device Resource Consumption Microsoft hopes you'll be so distracted by the shiny user inteface that you won't notice it slipping on the handcuffs.
If CAD vendors were to become even more fearful of losing customers to competitors, I could see some of them being desirous of utilizing Vista's DRM digital rights mismanagement to go even further in locking up design files. The effort could be spun along the lines of, oh, how about: 'Trusted Customers.' IPP intellectual property protection is the new god over business, its name is, and Microsoft is the high priest.
Posted by ralph grabowski at 08:27. Mike Elgan of Computerworld gives you six reasons to not buy Vista:.
1 Thru 6 His six reasons for not buying Vista are as follows: #1. Vista Is Incomplete - it doesn't include all drivers needed for your computer. Vista Is Expensive - at US$399; higher elsewhere. Vista Wants a New PC - your current computer's hardware is insufficient. Vista Is Time-Consuming - in installing and upgrading software and hardware. Windows XP Isn't Obsolete - Vista doesn't solve any existing problems. For example, to run Autodesk software on Vista, you need to download patches not needed for XP.
Vista May be the Best Reason Yet to Buy a Mac - if you're going through the hassle of changing operating systems anyhow, consider the PC-based, Windows-compatible computers from Apple. 7 thru 10 Reason #7 comes from Toronto Star's Law Bytes columnist, who writes that: The net effect of these concerns may constitute the real Vista revolution as they point to an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. The agreement. leaves it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.
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Reason #8 comes from Beth Snyder Bulik of AdAge, who reports on the comments of analyst Roger Kay of Endpoint Technology Associates: There won't be a PC sold anywhere in the world that doesn't have Vista within six months. Clearly, the convicted monopolist continues to strive for worldwide domination, and has told analysts that's what it wants - or else Mr Kay is unaware of the larger computing landscape. Reason #9 comes from Colin Barker of CNET News.com:. You are no longer innocent - companies that refuse risk having their details being handed to the Business Software Alliance, which will execute follow-up interviews that could result in fines and other penalties.
Even if you have paid for all the licenses you are using, Microsoft could determine your firm should have more licences, and force you to pay more to the convicted monopolist. Reason #10 comes from Mary Jo Foley of All about Microsoft.
She asks a simple question. That the following features will be found in AutoCAD 2008:. Completely developed using VS.NET. Uses the Search, Thumbnail, and properties features of Vista. Integrates completely with Office 2007. Embraces the new Direct3D.koff. standard.
Only some basic Vista features are supported by AutoCAD 2008: The new AutoCAD 2008 was built to benefit from some basic but important features of Windows Vista. A footnote further limits functionality: Some product features are only available in certain editions of Windows Vista and may require advanced or additional hardware. (Why 'leaked'? These features were described at Autodesk University last December, but journalists were restricted to reporting these features as being in some 'future' release of AutoCAD.
I s'pose Microsoft is big enough to withstand an NDA lawsuit from Autodesk.). In comment on a related post, 'Ballenger Motorsports' links to Web sites at and, which show Vista running CAD applications much slower than XP. How much slower? Pro/Engineer runs some 85% slower. UGS NX runs 98% slower.
Maybe that's why PTC wasn't whooping up Vista at the media event earlier this month. As can be expected elsewhere, SolidWorks also notes that some features stop working with Vista, such as MoldflowXpress and MDT translator.
This dismal performance explains why Microsoft's half-billion-dollar marketing campaign consists of feel-good expressions - instead of facts - like the Gatesian comment at yesterday's launch event: 'This 'wow' thing is a great way of describing what we've got here.' Wow It's all about the wow. Perhaps 'wow' is an abbreviation for 'worse or worser.' I don't want wow.
I don't want a shiny user interface that sucks CPU cycles away from my apps doing real work in earning me a living. I don't want to pay $399 for worse. As Wendys used to ask in the 80s, 'Where's the beef?' Posted by ralph grabowski at 05:15 Und die Maus.